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depression comix #120

this is such bullshit, sorry

Care to elaborate?

putting the responsibility of suicide on others to the point of calling it murder is fucking ridiculous.

If one is bullied to the point where they no longer want to live, don’t the bullies have some kind of responsibility for this?

Saying murder is just killing someone directly with a physical weapon is a narrow definition, and forgives those who attack others with more psychological weapons.
If one dies because they are bullied to that point, it’s no accident. I hope that by calling it murder, it brings attention to the serious consequences of bullying.

Calling it murder is wrong on so many levels it’s not even funny. The word “murder” has a clear definition. You’re just twisting it to get attention. That’s not a nice (or sane) way to get a discussion going. I don’t know about the US, but in Russia you can get in trouble if your intentional actions were clearly the reason someone commited suicide. And guess what: it’s not called “murder”. It’s a different crime punished by a different degree. Then there’s the problem of the depcom itself. It basically reads like this: ”A girl got drunk at a party, couldn’t control herself too well, got fucked and then recorded on camera in the process”. That’s not rape. As much as some people would want that to be, as much as they twist words around and issue laws that say that’s rape, it is not. It is the girl’s own damn fault as much as the guys’ who fucked her in that state. They all are drunk fucking morons I personally have no sympathy towards.

I was told by Julia not to feed the trolls, but I’m in a fighting mood.

Calling it murder is wrong on so many levels it’s not even funny.” Meaningless sentence. There are no levels. This is the kind of sentence one uses when they don’t have a point.

“The word “murder” has a clear definition.” Yes, it does. Especially the part about “with malice or forethought” and “Reckless indifference to an unjustifiably high risk to human life”. if one is raped and then bullied to the point of suicide then there is a case here. There are enough examples in the news of how bullying has led people to suicide for people to generally understand that bullying is a major cause of it. That’s right. Bullying causes suicide. Geez, that’s all over the news here in Japan, maybe they understand the connection more than other places. If you bully someone, you are participating in something that has a high risk to the life of the victim. If they die because of it, it could be third-degree murder. You may think this is stretching it, but I believe a motivated lawyer could make the case.

You’re just twisting it to get attention.” That’s an odd assumption, made by someone who appears to believe that attention has some kind of currency. I don’t know why attention is so important to you that you have to project this on other people, but trust me, other people do not feel this way. I make no money on this or how many notes I get so it feels more like you’re just trying to make a cheap shot more than anything (like the sane comment; my degree is in psychology and I assure you I have credentials in determining sanity).

 I don’t know about the US, but in Russia you can get in trouble if your intentional actions were clearly the reason someone commited suicide.” I don’t know about the US either, I’m from Canada. Why are you bringing this up? Another assumption?

And guess what: it’s not called “murder”. It’s a different crime punished by a different degree.” Good for Russia. Completely irrelevant to the rest of us.

Then there’s the problem of the depcom itself. It basically reads like this: ”A girl got drunk at a party, couldn’t control herself too well, got fucked and then recorded on camera in the process”. Most people who read recent news got that it was about Rehtaeh Parsons, a girl from my home country who was gang raped, photographed during the rape, had the pictures shared by her schoolmates and her life made a living hell until she was forced to kill herself to avoid the bullying. That you didn’t understand this is forgivable considering you’re from Russia, but the personal attacks you felt you had to indulge in make it less so. And look at what you wrote:  couldn’t control herself too well”. That is rape culture right there. No, it was the boys who couldn’t control themselves. Finger pointing at the woman reveals the misogyny right there.


This is the thing that pisses me off. A girl gets drunk at a party. So it’s okay to gang rape her? Why isn’t it the obvious thing to help her out and make sure she stays safe?

That’s not rape. As much as some people would want that to be, as much as they twist words around and issue laws that say that’s rape, it is not.  In Canada, where I am from and where this story is, it is rape. intoxicated people cannot legally consent to sex here and if you have sex with an intoxicated person you can be charged with sexual assault. In Russia, you have your own laws, enjoy them. They are irrelevant to this strip and the circumstances under which it was drawn.

 It is the girl’s own damn fault as much as the guys’ who fucked her in that state. They all are drunk fucking morons I personally have no sympathy towards.”

This is what a rape apologist looks like. If a girl gets raped, it’s her own fault apparently.

You people are unbelievable. The world is not black and white. Yes, it’s her own damn fault if she gets wasted to the point where she can’t say no. The reality of the situation is that people might — and probably will — get advantage of that. Still, there is no way I’m going to ever say that the guys who raped her should not be punished. They damn well should be sent to prison for doing something like that. The girl (or the boy, let’s not forget that) is punished quite enough by their own lack of common sense and bad choice of company. My point is: take some goddamn personal responsibility once in a while. If you are raped, you should report the animals that did it to the police and do everything you can to put them behind bars so that it doesn’t happen to another human being. But if you take your life because you couldn’t live with the consequences of your own fucking actions — you’re not helping anyone, including your own damn self. Again, I have no sympathy towards either side of this. Don’t twist my words to make what I am not.

Nobody has to twist your words, your attitude reveals what you are and the only worthwhile thing you have added to this discussion is to illustrate to everyone what hate towards victims of rape looks like. People who get raped should take responsibility for getting raped? That the victim shares some amount of culpability with the rapist. That’s what you’re saying, and that’s not a twist on your words. You are so lucky not to have to worry about being raped yourself, and it must be so comfortable to throw the responsibility on those more statistically likely to be raped (women) instead of having to deal with it yourself. That’s a hypocritical nature of your argument — complaining that other people don’t take responsibility while there’s none that you have to shoulder yourself.

For the record, the victim this comic is based on did report to the police, but no  charges were laid because of “insufficient evidence” (despite photographic evidence, the boys admitting doing it, etc). After this, she committed suicide. It is worth noting that the case is being reopened, thanks in part to efforts by Anonymous to keep the case in the public eye. Unfortunately, it’s too late for the victim. So it looks like you belittled a dead woman based on another one of your untrue assumptions. I guess it would pay to look something up before you open your mouth.

Clay is awesome, and is a good person. He also draws excellent comics. It’s the trifecta.

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Michael Crook defending the Steubenville Rapists.

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This article actually makes me sick. There are so many things about this that just make me sick.

According to Crook, it couldn’t have been…

This?  THis right here.  This is why things like what happened in Steubenville happen.  Because there are people who think that was ‘harmless fun’ (no really, he actually used those words) for which only the person who was raped is to blame (“In my opinion, the girl is the one who should be apologizing, for putting them in that situation to begin with.”)

This man is not simply passively upholding the status quo but aggressively asserting it doesn’t go far enough in its victim blaming (“A lot went wrong in the Steubenville case, namely the fact that the defense wasn’t allowed to mercilessly and aggressively question the poor, precious little princess about a lot of things that could have shed some light on her true nature.”).  This is the literal embodiment of a lot of things that are wrong with modern day society, and he makes no fucking bones about it - at the end of this blog post, he states proudly that he has ‘walked away’ from ‘some kid no more than 10’ who needed CPR (which the blog author was certified to provide) and as a result, the kid died.  He seems to be proud to be the scum of the earth.

I’m just saying: when you hear people talking about ‘rape culture’, they’re talking about this.  When you hear people getting angry about ‘MRAs’, they’re talking about this.  And if you try to shut down those discussions, think long and hard about who, exactly, you are siding with.  Because this is who.  This is exactly who.

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We need to end the obsession with controlling female sexuality. One of the reasons that rapists rape with impunity is that they can be assured that if their victims speak out, the victims will face a lot more shaming than the rapists will. Victims will be treated like terrible people if they go to parties and drink, if they have had consensual sex in the past, and especially if they were inclined to have consensual sex with the rapist before he decided to violently assault her. If we, as a culture, accepted that it’s perfectly okay for women to, as we accept of men, have their fun and party and have sex if they want to, rape victims wouldn’t get the third degree. Focus would then shift to the only choice that matters — the choice of whether or not to rape — and rapists would be held accountable. Conservatives, needless to say, do not want to give up policing female sexuality, and will resist this at all costs.

“Gun Industry Profits Will Not Stop Rape” by Amanda Marcotte

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I’m putting this below a Read More because explicit discussion of rape. 

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What people don’t understand is when we say “Teach men not to rape,” we’re not talking about telling them not to jump out of the bushes in a ski mask and grab the nearest female. We’re talking about the way we teach boys that masculinity is measured by power over others, and that they aren’t men unless they “get some.” We’re talking about teaching men (and women) that it’s not okay to laugh at jokes about rape and abuse. We’re talking about telling men that a lack of “No” doesn’t mean “Yes,” that if a woman is too drunk to consent they shouldn’t touch her, that dating someone - or even being married to someone - does not mean automatic consent. We’re talking about teaching boys to pay attention to the girl they’re with, and if she looks uncomfortable to stop and ask if she’s okay, because sometimes girls don’t know how to say stop in a situation like that. We’re talking about how women have the right to change their mind. Even if she’s been saying yes all night, if she says no, that’s it. It’s over. That’s what we mean when we say “Teach men not to rape.

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I think this is so important. 

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To all those who don’t think the rape joke was a problem, or rape jokes are a problem.

I get it, you’re a decent guy. I can even believe it. You’ve never raped anybody. You would NEVER rape anybody. You’re upset that all these feminists are trying to accuse you of doing something or connect you to doing something that, as far as you’re concerned, you’ve never done and would never condone.

And they’ve told you about triggers, and PTSD, and how one in six women is a survivor, and you get it. You do. But you can’t let every time someone gets all upset get in the way of you having a good time, right?

So fine. If all those arguments aren’t going anything for you, let me tell you this. And I tell you this because I genuinely believe you mean it when you say you don’t want to hurt anybody, and you don’t see the harm, and that it’s important to you to do your best to be a decent and good person. And I genuinely believe you when you say you would never associate with a rapist and you think rape really is a very bad thing.

Because this is why I refuse to take rape jokes sitting down-

6% of college age men, slightly over 1 in 20, will admit to raping someone in anonymous surveys, as long as the word “rape” isn’t used in the description of the act.

6% of Penny Arcade’s target demographic will admit to actually being rapists when asked.

A lot of people accuse feminists of thinking that all men are rapists. That’s not true. But do you know who think all men are rapists?

Rapists do.

They really do. In psychological study, the profiling, the studies, it comes out again and again.

Virtually all rapists genuinely believe that all men rape, and other men just keep it hushed up better. And more, these people who really are rapists are constantly reaffirmed in their belief about the rest of mankind being rapists like them by things like rape jokes, that dismiss and normalize the idea of rape.

If one in twenty guys is a real and true rapist, and you have any amount of social activity with other guys like yourself, really cool guy, then it is almost a statistical certainty that one time hanging out with friends and their friends, playing Halo with a bunch of guys online, in a WoW guild, or elsewhere, you were talking to a rapist. Not your fault. You can’t tell a rapist apart any better than anyone else can. It’s not like they announce themselves.

But, here’s the thing. It’s very likely that in some of these interactions with these guys, at some point or another someone told a rape joke. You, decent guy that you are, understood that they didn’t mean it, and it was just a joke. And so you laughed.

And, decent guy who would never condone rape, who would step in and stop rape if he saw it, who understands that rape is awful and wrong and bad, when you laughed?

That rapist who was in the group with you, that rapist thought that you were on his side. That rapist knew that you were a rapist like him. And he felt validated, and he felt he was among his comrades.

You. The rapist’s comrade.

And if that doesn’t make you feel sick to your stomach, if that doesn’t make you want to throw up, if that doesn’t disturb you or bother you or make you feel like maybe you should at least consider not participating in that kind of humor anymore…

Well, maybe you aren’t as opposed to rapists as you claim.

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My mom said if this post gets 500,000 notes nothing will happen.

But if this petition gets 500,000 signatures we can get federal laws preventing rapists from suing for custody/visitation of their victim’s children.

You guys accomplished Operation Fluffy Chicken.

How about putting in an effort to Operation We’re Finally Taking Rape Seriously?

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projectunbreakable:

The posters read:

“I gave it to you because you deserved it” - the rapist, another student

“It was just bad sex” - the prosecutor

“We can’t punish him for being a jerk” - a dean

Photographed in Charlottesville, VA on November 6th.

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Obviously rape culture is a misandrist feminazi lie. Obviously.

kyronea:

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ladyazura:

Rape Culture? What is this “Rape Culture” you speak of?

Seriously though, this is terrifying. God forbid I wear a skirt outside — I’m just ASKING   to be raped if I do that.

The 58% statistic actually terrifies me more than any other. Suddenly change the word and you don’t care? 

No one will ever be able to convince me that words hold no power.

I’m not sure if I’m surprised, but I am scared beyond belief.

1uppitynegress:

Yep. No more rape culture!

1uppitynegress:

Yep.
No more rape culture!

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beeishappy:

Colbert has advice for some members of the GOP or:

who continually drop the ‘R’ word. [x]

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saveholden:

Victims of Amherst College’s rape cover-ups and the disgusting things said to them

Photographs by Jisoo Lee

Project by It Happens Here — Dana Bolger, Kinjal Patel, Sonum Dixit

This makes me sick to my stomach.

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There are only two types of men who are upset that they need permission before they can have sex: rapists and potential rapists.

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People full stop.

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i will not ever stop reblogging this

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